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I just finished THE BUTCHER'S GRANDDAUGHTER by MICHAEL LION and it was a pretty good take on the Raymond Chandler PI story, but when it got to the end - where all the events are explained in hindsight for like thirty pages or some shit - I couldn't help thinking about how much cooler it would have been to be with the killers throughout the story instead of the ten-steps-behind detective.

I think for me the most successful mysteries are the ones where the detective or the PI gets in just as much shit as the bad guys. Lehane's Kenzie/Gennaro books always work for me because Kenzie is not above getting his hands REALLY dirty. Pelecanos's Strange/Quinn books were hardly mysteries, just crime novels starring a pair of PIs.

In conclusion, yeah. I'm with you.

I'm interested in the people committing crimes--not the crimes themselves and not the solution. I am also interested in the people solving the crime-again not the crime itself or the solution. The victims are pretty interesting too. Just give me complex people doing interesting things and I barely need a crime at all. I don't like to name names so I'll leave who does this best to your imagination.

Oh hell, I'm so with you on this but it took me a while. I wrote one after another of first person PI novels that always fell apart when it came to explaining the fucking puzzle.

Now I can't bring myself to read any puzzle mysteries for the time being. The stuff that truly bores me though is "literary" writers trying to "transcend the genre."

I'm with Patti in that I think I'm as interested in the people and their motivations as the crime/puzzle aspect. I think that's why I'll continue to read Donna Leon, for example, even as her crimes become increasingly superfluous to her books

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